I just installed Khajiit Will Follow for my Skyrim, and its incredible the amount of effort that went into it. Full Questlines and thousands of lines of dialogue voiced, including Marriageable.

It'd be nice if that were possible in ESO.

I honestly hope they don't tie any perks to romance, as it would make it feel a bit too transactional, maybe even borderline creepy. Or if they did, they should have an equal perk for maxed friendship as well, for players who don't want a romance.

But honestly, all I want from a romance system is some affectionate dialogue and maybe a hug.

I never said they would do what that addon does, but it did make me wonder. But even if it is just a debuff system, there have been posters against that, too. There is no general consensus on what is wanted or how it should be implemented.

Hugie wrote: »

Stamicka wrote: »

Beyond that, this is PvP we are talking about. With ESO’s customization, 2 players can be fully geared out at max level and 1 of those players can literally have double the raw power of the other person. There’s so many situations where one build is simply better than another without any tradeoffs at all.

If someone is serious about fair PvP, why would they put up with that? Truly competitive players or pvpers want to win or lose based on skill, otherwise they’ll quit for more skill based games. The lack of balance and the level at which you can outbuild someone keeps ESO unappealing to many of the people who enjoy PvP games.

Some level of build customization in ESO is fine. With sets and skill lines so wildly out of balance with each other though, it’s become a huge issue, both for accessibility and skill expression.

There’s definitely a vocal group of ESO “pvpers” that must love farming players with builds that can’t compete. If you really deserve to be getting kills, you’ll do just fine on more equal footing.

We clearly have very different ideas of what makes someone good at the game, and that's OK. Fortunately for you, it seems the devs agree with yours and don't agree with mine.

IMO, if someone is serious about PvP, they shouldn't shy away from investing the time and resources to take full advantage of ESO's complex builds. Knowing how to theorycraft and leverage an effective setup is part of what makes someone skilled at the game. If one person is CP 3000 with all stickers learned, tens of millions of gold/AP earned, tens of thousands of raw mats hoarded, and thousands of hours of practice, I don't think it's unreasonable for that to represent a material advantage when they fight a CP 140 who just started the game a month prior. What's wrong with asking a new player to put in some time and effort and earn their power?

If a player is so clever and so "skilled" as you say, then they why do need to crutch on having more resources? The answer is simple. They don't. They just enjoy deleting noobs without fear of ever losing. There is nothing "truly competitive" about that at all. It's more about being indignant that a new player can have the same amount of resources without having to run those dungeons or dig up those leads.

CalamityCat wrote: »

Tariq9898 wrote: »

Adding skill styles can solve this!!

It honestly can't though.

While some players might be okay with skills looking visually similar, having cohesion is about more than appearances. It just makes zero sense to have a character with these skill line combinations. They were never designed to work with other class skills and you can tell. Every class is distinctive right down to the bones. Combat and playstyle are different, the classes suit different alignments and player characters in a RP sense too.

A full set of skill styles as you suggest would be a significant undertaking. They would also cost us a fortune in crowns, because that isn't something we'd get for free. Sadly, I can't imagine ZOS are interested in this issue either. Pure class players seem to be mostly ignored and nerfed whenever a subclass build gets too OP.

They do need to bring more incentives to pure classes.

CalamityCat wrote: »

This is why I stuck with pure class builds. Even with skill styles it would still make no sense for my characters to take one or two class lines that make no sense and don't fit even with their alignment. Also, I think pure builds just have a generally cohesive playstyle and feel that you can't get from illogical pick-and-mix subclass combinations.

My current mindset is that I can still do what I could before subclassing, and fortunately have zero interest in doing vet trials. PvP actually feels better for my main builds, and was the only thing I thought I'd get caught out on. So I stuck with my pure classes. I hate that pure builds take a hit every time something needs "balancing" for subclassing, but I've fully quit chasing meta and parsing on dummies. Even with skill styles I can't see a way to make subclassing suit me or my characters. I can't imagine any dev time being spent sorting the jarring aesthetic mish-mash.

Your point about pure classes having a more cohesive playstyle rings true for me, too. In a way, subclassing now makes pure classes feel like the hybrids in that they're not going to be the best at any one role but they're more flexible. If you want a pure DPS, you should combine 3 DPS lines; a pure tank, 3 tank lines; a pure healer, 3 healer lines. If you go with a pure class, though, you're really playing a hybrid build now.

The point being given for the past 4 years was immersion and that there should be danger from overland mobs. If players are switching back to normal difficulty that is defeating the whole purpose. And if they are switching back and forth unrestricted for better rewards or for easy farming, that is manipulating the system.

Others may not agree, but this is how I see it, and I hope they are taking things like this into consideration.

I don't mind the concept of having a spouse that shows up in my every home and gives me a perk once a day for going home.

But, romancing my fighting companion would be as awkward for me as when my companion reacted with disgust after I used the Blade of Woe to complete a quest. If this must be done, make it optional, don't add perks that cause me to chose between feeling awkward or missing opportunities.

I don't mind romance on companions, but I hope it has an option to disable it completely. We should be able to set a clear boundary there, because one person's romance would make the next person uncomfortable or worse. I have zero interest in romantic companions, especially if it's all sweet and nice romance. I can only imagine how insufferable Isobel could be with a romance setting.

What I'd prefer to see is the option for some neutral/evil behaviour and dialogue when companions are out with a less virtuous character. Especially one who is clearly in the Dark Brotherhood/Thieves Guild or a vampire/werewolf. Just a more believable response from a companion would be appreciated. But not having the virtuous ones turn evil, whether a companion is romancing or being more nasty, I don't want them slipping out of character. I want the nicer companions to berate my thief or assassin appropriately.

As for potions/food changes, I just hope that they consider streamlining and making things more straightforward, not adding yet more unnecessary complexity.